1. Is it in the Bible?


Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

2. What do we believe it means?

If someone wants to be in ministry, they need to submit to the authority of someone who is already in ministry.

3. What does it really mean?

there are some areas of the Bible that are often said to refer to the idea of the "handing down" of ministry. The "spiritual father" concept once again (see study). Once again this idea is truth, spoken in the experience of a false system.

It is true that for someone to become a pastor, one must submit to a church system and it's leadership. What is difficult for us to comprehend is that the system of (submission to ) human authority is incorrect! We are so very sure that "the church" is all about the functioning of a single powerful, faith-supported "ruler". We are so very sure that the church is all a bout the functioning of human authority. We are wrong. The church is supposed to be a group of equals--functioning under God's authority.

The quote "whose faith follow" in the Bible is speaking about the apostles and their ministry. How dare we pull some words out of the Bible--tear them away from the context God gave as an example,a nd make them "fit" our incorrect traditions!

Once again we are also faced here with the King James mistranslation of "them that have the rule over you". This phrase is the one single Greek word "hegeomai" which simply means leadership. What the church seems totally unaware of is that Jesus defined this exact Greek phrase as someon who does NOT exersice authority over others within the church...

25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. (Luke 22:25-26)

The word "chief" is the Greek "hegeomai"

Jesus' defintion of Christian leadership is someone who does NOT exercise authority over others.

By the time the KJV was made, the Christian church had already had over a thousand years of Christian rule and authority as it's tradition. King James himself was a ruler who supposedly had the "rule" "over" his "subjects" who had to "submit". Certainly, if they wanted to keep theri heads in place, the KJV translators had to work those words and phrases inot ht Bible wherever possible. But by doing this they have left us with a legacy of human authority in the church, authority which is expectred and supported by the masses of believers and an integfral part o0f the Christian tradition of operation.

It steps all over Jesus teachings, and God is sick of it. And it is only held in place by these tiny buzzwords.